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"When you make good kachoris, people will buy them. You don't need to market it" - Exclusive Hangout with Prof.Ravichandran - Director of IIM Indore

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Aayush Mazumdar

“When you make good kachoris, people will buy them. You don’t need to market it” - Coming from the director of an iim, thats a sorry statement, especially for one that teaches marketing. Its basically saying that in a market, no matter what the competition, you don't need marketing - completely false assumption. Well good morning sunshine, rise up and smell the coffee - your institute is not even close to the kind of perfection required to harbour that kind of ill ambitious arrogance. wonder why world's biggest companies don't think this way even when they have 60% of the market share commanding 30% profit. All of them must be stupid unlike IIM Indore.

10 Mar 2013, 06.07 PM

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Aayush Mazumdar

But have to give it to the guy for foresight. A few things/Highlights to think about though 1) 120 students added every year - wow! 2) Online Classes soon to happen - Interesting but not necessarily good, you pay for real classes. 3) Another Eastern Europe / Eastern Asia Campus? My My 4) Parity in terms of Education across Campuses - Easier said than done - What about Placements? 5) IIM Indore will become Social Sciences Bent - Interesting Move. 6) Increasing Students directly Proportionate to Infrastructure Improvement. 7) Further Expansion of Programmes 8) Placement Process shall clearly become different in the coming years. This guy will definitely leave an indelible mark in IIM-Indore's History. But will the marks be largely positive? The jury is still out on that one but I still wish him all the luck.

11 Mar 2013, 05.01 AM |

Rajesh

I think you haven&#039;t watched the whole video. The kachori statement is with regards to the advertising or promotion of the experiential learning programmes at IIM I for the PGP students. I find it a perfectly fine philosophy to not market (advertise it). The biggest brands in the world today rely on word of mouth and not advertising. When he says he prefers students and other people talk about it he is probably right. &quot;Its basically saying that in a market, no matter what the competition, you don&#039;t need marketing - completely false assumption.&quot; The professor did not hint any such thing. This is your assumption and poor interpretaton of the professor&#039;s concept. You just read read the headline and commented. Either you have an agenda against the professor or against the institution. You can use all the sarcasm in the world that you want but remember that Ravi C is a very revered name in the academic circles and among the students of IIM A whom he taught for over 25 years. I don&#039;t know which business school you hail from but you are definitely behind the curve. Let me help you stay relevant in today&#039;s times. Read this presentation by Mahesh Murthy. <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/maheshmurthy/ro-i-in-social-marketing-some-metrics-by-mahesh-murthy-of-pinstorm" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/maheshmurthy/ro-i-in-so...</a> Please do not get distracted by the title of the presentation again. Focus on the slide about Ad spend to revenue ratio and try and understand the concept. Chalo, at least we introduced you to something useful.

11 Mar 2013, 08.03 AM |

Aayush Mazumdar

wow - thank you for opening my eyes - I am going to get the insight directly from Mahesh himself - I am making sure that happens since you asked. Also I have to give it to you, how you correlated two completely different concepts - Please reread what I wrote. I am not saying IIPM is the way to go but to say on WOM works as Marketing is absolutely and factually wrong. <a href="http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-03-10/news/37581691_1_biggest-advertisers-lv-krishnan-print-media" rel="nofollow">http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013...</a>

11 Mar 2013, 11.29 PM |

Aayush Mazumdar

and beguiling me won&#039;t make facts as unfacts - read the second reply as well - if i hadnt see the video i wouldn&#039;t have been able to summarize it. can you conflict my summary? Ravi C could be an excellent Professor and you could be his torch bearer in the army but that doesnt make everything he says or do as right. We have the right to agree or respectfully disagree to what he or you say.

11 Mar 2013, 11.31 PM |

hehe

R u from IMTG :P

16 Mar 2013, 12.31 AM |

Nishant

I think my friend his focus is on imparting quality before marketing. It&#039;s hard for a product which does not have an intrinsic value or which provides very little solution to the needs of people to exist in market and hence it requires marketing. Eg :- Pepsi, Coke &amp; Lays which have created market for itself through rigourous marketing. Have we ever seen an advertisement for Facebook or Google or for a product which is very unique. So his focus was on being unique. Marketing is secondary.

24 Apr 2013, 02.34 PM

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Once upon a time when i got selected into EPGP and was unlawfully titled as foreigner and asked for a dollar fee after they had already selected me and taken rs one lakh as fee, I asked the professor why when i still have only Indian passport and have only visited another country on work being looted in name of dollar fee, he quoted " Sujith, You guys happily to go multplex and eat a five rupees pop corn for fifity rupees with no complaint, but when it comes to MBA you ask for explanation". I fully understood his argument and decided not to take the course since I am not the kind who goes to multiplex to eat expensive popcorn. I think this time the professor through this Kachori's remark intends to say that his institution does not support any placement . You pay hefty fee and you are on your own. All they do is ask you to register with MaFoi consultants paying another popcorn fee .If you can sell your kachori , good for you and credit for the institute's Kadai.

5 Aug 2013, 09.52 PM

Gautam Kumar

Superb comments Sujith. Yes its true that B school or for that matter any school is for education and is not a placement cell. Agreed. But then if a student is leaving a job of say 12.00 lakh and pays a fee of say 20.00 lakh, thats a 32.00 lakh investment. Making an FD of the same in 21 years it would become 1.28 crore anyways. The good education is definitely a qualitative term but EMI is definitely not. One has to be clear if education is more pretty or EMI is more ugly. If the quality of my education is good, but i cant repay the loan will the bank write the loan off? May be the school should have reduced the fees , paid the scholarships , arranged for professional placement services and impart strong skills and value system in students. A greatful alumni pool perhaps would have paid more in form of donation. I can't see that culture in India even though list of IIM alumni turned CEOs is long....

5 Sep 2014, 07.03 PM

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Comments
 

Aayush Mazumdar

&ldquo;When you make good kachoris, people will buy them. You don&rsquo;t need to market it&rdquo; - Coming from the director of an iim, thats a sorry statement, especially for one that teaches marketing. Its basically saying that in a market, no matter what the competition, you don&#039;t need marketing - completely false assumption. Well good morning sunshine, rise up and smell the coffee - your institute is not even close to the kind of perfection required to harbour that kind of ill ambitious arrogance. wonder why world&#039;s biggest companies don&#039;t think this way even when they have 60% of the market share commanding 30% profit. All of them must be stupid unlike IIM Indore.

10 Mar 2013, 06.07 PM

+Read Replies (5)

Aayush Mazumdar

But have to give it to the guy for foresight. A few things/Highlights to think about though 1) 120 students added every year - wow! 2) Online Classes soon to happen - Interesting but not necessarily good, you pay for real classes. 3) Another Eastern Europe / Eastern Asia Campus? My My 4) Parity in terms of Education across Campuses - Easier said than done - What about Placements? 5) IIM Indore will become Social Sciences Bent - Interesting Move. 6) Increasing Students directly Proportionate to Infrastructure Improvement. 7) Further Expansion of Programmes 8) Placement Process shall clearly become different in the coming years. This guy will definitely leave an indelible mark in IIM-Indore&#039;s History. But will the marks be largely positive? The jury is still out on that one but I still wish him all the luck.

11 Mar 2013, 05.01 AM |

Rajesh

I think you haven&#039;t watched the whole video. The kachori statement is with regards to the advertising or promotion of the experiential learning programmes at IIM I for the PGP students. I find it a perfectly fine philosophy to not market (advertise it). The biggest brands in the world today rely on word of mouth and not advertising. When he says he prefers students and other people talk about it he is probably right. &quot;Its basically saying that in a market, no matter what the competition, you don&#039;t need marketing - completely false assumption.&quot; The professor did not hint any such thing. This is your assumption and poor interpretaton of the professor&#039;s concept. You just read read the headline and commented. Either you have an agenda against the professor or against the institution. You can use all the sarcasm in the world that you want but remember that Ravi C is a very revered name in the academic circles and among the students of IIM A whom he taught for over 25 years. I don&#039;t know which business school you hail from but you are definitely behind the curve. Let me help you stay relevant in today&#039;s times. Read this presentation by Mahesh Murthy. <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/maheshmurthy/ro-i-in-social-marketing-some-metrics-by-mahesh-murthy-of-pinstorm" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/maheshmurthy/ro-i-in-so...</a> Please do not get distracted by the title of the presentation again. Focus on the slide about Ad spend to revenue ratio and try and understand the concept. Chalo, at least we introduced you to something useful.

11 Mar 2013, 08.03 AM |

Aayush Mazumdar

wow - thank you for opening my eyes - I am going to get the insight directly from Mahesh himself - I am making sure that happens since you asked. Also I have to give it to you, how you correlated two completely different concepts - Please reread what I wrote. I am not saying IIPM is the way to go but to say on WOM works as Marketing is absolutely and factually wrong. <a href="http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-03-10/news/37581691_1_biggest-advertisers-lv-krishnan-print-media" rel="nofollow">http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013...</a>

11 Mar 2013, 11.29 PM |

Aayush Mazumdar

and beguiling me won&#039;t make facts as unfacts - read the second reply as well - if i hadnt see the video i wouldn&#039;t have been able to summarize it. can you conflict my summary? Ravi C could be an excellent Professor and you could be his torch bearer in the army but that doesnt make everything he says or do as right. We have the right to agree or respectfully disagree to what he or you say.

11 Mar 2013, 11.31 PM |

hehe

R u from IMTG :P

16 Mar 2013, 12.31 AM |

Nishant

I think my friend his focus is on imparting quality before marketing. It&#039;s hard for a product which does not have an intrinsic value or which provides very little solution to the needs of people to exist in market and hence it requires marketing. Eg :- Pepsi, Coke &amp; Lays which have created market for itself through rigourous marketing. Have we ever seen an advertisement for Facebook or Google or for a product which is very unique. So his focus was on being unique. Marketing is secondary.

24 Apr 2013, 02.34 PM

null null

Once upon a time when i got selected into EPGP and was unlawfully titled as foreigner and asked for a dollar fee after they had already selected me and taken rs one lakh as fee, I asked the professor why when i still have only Indian passport and have only visited another country on work being looted in name of dollar fee, he quoted " Sujith, You guys happily to go multplex and eat a five rupees pop corn for fifity rupees with no complaint, but when it comes to MBA you ask for explanation". I fully understood his argument and decided not to take the course since I am not the kind who goes to multiplex to eat expensive popcorn. I think this time the professor through this Kachori's remark intends to say that his institution does not support any placement . You pay hefty fee and you are on your own. All they do is ask you to register with MaFoi consultants paying another popcorn fee .If you can sell your kachori , good for you and credit for the institute's Kadai.

5 Aug 2013, 09.52 PM

Gautam Kumar

Superb comments Sujith. Yes its true that B school or for that matter any school is for education and is not a placement cell. Agreed. But then if a student is leaving a job of say 12.00 lakh and pays a fee of say 20.00 lakh, thats a 32.00 lakh investment. Making an FD of the same in 21 years it would become 1.28 crore anyways. The good education is definitely a qualitative term but EMI is definitely not. One has to be clear if education is more pretty or EMI is more ugly. If the quality of my education is good, but i cant repay the loan will the bank write the loan off? May be the school should have reduced the fees , paid the scholarships , arranged for professional placement services and impart strong skills and value system in students. A greatful alumni pool perhaps would have paid more in form of donation. I can't see that culture in India even though list of IIM alumni turned CEOs is long....

5 Sep 2014, 07.03 PM